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Knesset Meeting on Israeli Football, Committee on Education, Culture and Sport; 23 Dec 2009

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Second Session

Protocol No. 124

Meeting of the Committee on Education, Culture and Sport

Wednesday, and Tevet, Hts”a (23/12/2009) 09:30

Agenda:
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Israel national football team failed to qualify for the World Cup
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Present:

Members of the committee:

Zevulun Orlev – chairman

Alex Miller

Ronit Tirosh

Welcome to:

MK Ophir Pines-Paz

David Malka – Deputy head of sport, the Ministry of Culture and Sport

Avi Luzon – Football Association chairman

Mr. Rotem Kamer – Vice President of Football Association

Ori Shilo – Football Association chief executive

Aryeh Alter – Football Players Association Executive Director

Avi Cohen – Chairman of the Football Players Association

Myron Aronowicz – Sports Site

Levi – Sports Site

Yuval Bergen – Research and Information Center Committee

Director of the Committee: Judith Sizes

Parliamentary Registrar: me Appelbaum

Israel national football team failed to qualify for the World Cup

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

Good morning. I open the meeting of the Committee on Education, Culture and Sport. On the agenda: Israel national football team failed to qualify for the World Cup.

We waited a bit to allow the Chairman of the Association Avi Luzon reach.

Reading:

He stuck in traffic.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

I know I need to be on time for meetings.

We summoned the meeting in light of the cumulative failure and non-success of the Israeli team to qualify for the final tournament of the FIFA World Cup, known in Yiddish name “World Cup”. The next World Cup in 2010 to be in South Africa. This failure of the Israeli national soccer team is not a failure but unfortunately orphan joins a series of previous failures to qualify for the World Cup. Not only for the World Cup but also other important competitions like the European Football Championship or Olympic Games. In fact, almost close to 40 years the Israeli team repeatedly fails to qualify for the world’s top tournaments, three of which I mentioned: the World Cup, European Football Championship and the Olympic Games. We have known last success was the Football World Cup tournament held in 1970 in Mexico.

Have to say that soccer is a very popular industry, perhaps the most popular sports and therefore the failure of the Israeli team naturally raises public comments and stimulates strong resonance even among athletes and professionals and, of course, from the general public.

As an educator, I mean it’s very natural that the success or failure of the team, like any national team arouses emotions that are carrying the flag of the country and represent the citizens of the country and everyone feels the team is his success and his failure are. I think things are so good that bear the responsibility of representing the State of Israel and its citizens, to represent the symbol and flag of the State of Israel, this is definitely something binding.

I must say immediately after the failure when I announced that I summon the meeting, I heard a few eyebrows were raised and said: What Knesset sticking their noses for the team? I want to say that already in 1959, exactly 50 years ago, took the Knesset achievements of the national adult team football and modesty would not like us straight going Commission of Education but discussed even before the Knesset. At the end of the discussion it decided to convey the Education and Culture Committee and the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. Probably saw it as a problem in the foreign relations of the State of Israel.

Throughout the years, the synagogue discovered involvement. Knesset represents the citizens of the state. Like chosen to represent the citizens, the public is entitled to as part of the supervision it has on public bodies to sue the association to come and report and update and be transparent in its considerations. I believe that secret stuff here and I am pleased that the chairman of the Association, after speaking with him and the management of the Association, vice president and general manager, although consent to hold this meeting. Not that I need the consent of the Knesset does not need the consent of anyone, but always like things are getting out of understanding and therefore delay the holding of meetings. I thought that the meeting should take place at an earlier date.

Not only that, the state comptroller as we know, by law, criticized the union, both being of a public body and because the Israeli Football Association is an organization supported. Israel has participated in its budget, as the association did not want to and not as I would like, but you know that sheets are always short but very participation in the budget as this one topic for organizing league matches, and the second amount is the organization selected. Within this, of course, there is also the organization of the Israeli team. The amount is not a significant amount. Once he approached the one million shekels and today it stands at something like 300,000 to 400,000 shekels.

Ori Shilo:

A little less.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

These more or less sums But the very fact that an organization supported also committed to come to the Knesset. The Knesset is not an external institution. In fact now sitting in the room all the citizens of the country. Games are sitting in the stands and now they are sitting in this room their representatives inventions.

Hello father. You know, when I was a teacher, all those late sat next to me, so let’s sit down next to me. I know this class penalty but the Knesset this respect.

So there is a very great interest in whatever we do. As I said, every citizen feels chosen to represent him, glad triumphs and very painful failure.

After the failure, when I announced a meeting to be held, I must say I got a lot of comments from spectrum possible. Of course everyone is a sports commentator qualified professional. One could tell me – I then played my youth total but no more than that. I told my father, neighborhood, eastern neighborhood in Ramat Gan was a voluntary group that played against Ramat Amidar, which later appeared to Maccabi Ramat Amidar, Leon Kostntinobski period was their star. Housing has always boasted win the East know Ramat Amidar. It’s football education.

There were those who argued that the main problem is the coach, the coach is not enough professional coach, did not work well. Some said that the primary culprit is of course the players were not good enough. There were those who blamed her father Luzon and those planted this association, the failed conduct of the Federation, including every branch of Israeli soccer. As we know, when there is a failure and failure is an orphan nobody wants to take responsibility and everyone throws the responsibility on the other.

I want to thank Valuable, our research assistant, the document prepared which has a 1950 picture about all our attempts to reach the World Cup, apart from 1970 with coach Emanuel Sheffer, when we climbed the final tournament, after two preliminary rounds, after we won the New Zealand as well as Australia. So we were in Oceania. I understand that today we have the framework of Europe. We went through all the continents: Oceania, Europe, Asia only in America have not yet reached.

Avi Luzon:

No, we in Europe and we stay in Europe, that’s for sure.

Ronit Tirosh:

This is one of the few cases still respect us.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

I see that in 1962 we belong in Africa.

We went through almost all coaches, whether they are in the country and whether they are out to Israel: Tz’iritz, Mansell, Richard Nielsen and Israeli trainers course. As mentioned above, except for the success of the Israeli coach Emanuel Sheffer, we were not able to qualify.

So we thought it is highly recommended to hold a hearing.

I must say – – –

Avi Cohen:

Where Mihitz ‘list?

Yuval Vorgan:

It’s only World Cup qualifiers.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

It is impossible to make a book. It is a document for the purpose of discussion. I was angry at him if the document is more than two pages and here he wrote 12 pages. The table is only for the Israeli national team’s participation in World Cup qualifying. This is just a sample to show who switched trainers. We switched continents and the result, more or less remained the same result.

Ronit Tirosh:

So where is the problem?

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

We are discussing it.

I must say to my colleagues that Members of the Knesset. I thought this Sldion should invite artists of the past and former players. We’ve put together a list of personal knowledge, consulting and so on. As you can see, there’s plenty of room to spare. Why? That almost everyone we approached was a reason not to come. But, when I saw all the reasons I thought something was wrong.

Ronit Tirosh:

What unites them?

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

I do not know. I do not know if there’s some secret code of the Guild says that she did not come and speak to the Knesset. I do not know how to explain this.

Alex Miller:

What reason gave current coach?

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

I’m just saying names: Grant, Shlomo Scharf – – –

Avi Luzon:

Grant was in England.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

All right.

Emanuel Sheffer, Isaac Naor, Mordechai Spiegler it an anniversary, they told me, Giora Spiegel, Eli Ohana, Shaya Feigenbaum, Uri Mlmilian, Bonnie Ginzburg, the father of desire, Father Muller, Danny Neuman, Jacob Shachar, Eyal Berkovic, Haim Revivo. Avi Cohen arrived, there righteous.

I gave a sample list. I must say that I raised an eyebrow. The committee really deals with a wide range of organizations and issues and also deals with many sensitivities on issues such as, for example, the academic freedom of institutions of higher education. Everyone knows that professors do not like to come to the politicians, to come to the committee, to be exposed, talk, discuss and hold. I must say, not me, not my predecessors, and MKs will testify, did not have any problem. Here I must say, my father, light bulb in my – – –

Ronit Tirosh:

You are ready to share with us the reasons they gave?

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

I do not know. Each with its causes: can not, will not have time, do not get along, not here nor there. Mordechai Spiegler, by the way, said he did not want to. If someone asks me then that record.

Avi Luzon:

He was not in the country, it is not true. I personally invited him. I invite Spiegler that is our advisor Association.

Avi Cohen:

Do you have another union workers, why do not they come? Eli Ohana all these names, team manager?

Avi Luzon:

I do not know. The only time I worried about him and wanted him to come this Mottele, but Mottele abroad.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

We invited the people directly.

Avi Cohen:

If my father as chairman of the association, in charge of these people, I wish he had ordered.

Avi Luzon:

I did not know they were invited.

Avi Cohen:

So I wish he’d let you know.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

We should not let him.

Ronit Tirosh:

Usually respect us, we do not rely on others.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

We invite directly to the people. I said, did not have any – I mean it’s a shame. This issue is very troubling me, but we clean the debate with those who came.

So much for opening remarks. My father, unfortunately, did not you hear the opening remarks but since we talked twice on this issue, you know more or less what we began.

Our interest is not a commission of inquiry on failure. Once there was a parliamentary committee headed by MK Avshalom Vilan of violence in sport. The Knesset has a device called a parliamentary inquiry committee. There was also one Knesset member came to me when he heard I was holding the meeting and told me I was making a mistake and I set up a parliamentary inquiry committee. I told him not to.

Although I am concerned what we failed but what bothers me more than we can. In other words, what lessons learned? What conclusions drawn? How do we organize the future? Which means we are taking to ensure that Israel will be represented?

We can not go through the entire document prepared but there were countries that were low as we do and know to rise.

Avi Luzon:

That countries supported them.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

Can be, you say your opinion. While the state does not seriously represented here, but for that matter, this country we and Knesset members. We’ll talk about this thing. Is the thing is financial support? Is bonuses? Are coaches? Is it the chairman of the association? I do not know.

Ask me why I fail math I can tell you. Why not Mavki’im goal, I do not know. When I was a center forward in the eastern knew to score goals, I no longer know.

So much for opening remarks.

Father, I suggest you say the words. MK Miller, you want to say something?

Alex Miller:

Mr. Speaker. I’m really looking in general at the Israeli sport mode and I think it has become more like a joke than something that a magnitude as Israel would like to see it. I think that the state, in a systematic manner for years, referring disparagingly to the sport in the country. I think that there is no strategy to detect athletes at a young age. We really need to do some soul-searching, not just in football but in all industries. If we want to eventually get significant achievements, what the state is doing to achieve this? Of course, easy to see, but I think that when it comes to Israel’s national team has more things that need to push the players to win foreign economic affairs, other incentives and all things are more economical aspect. There is also an ideological aspect.

Mr. Speaker, I went from a country I do not remember the nineties players were great incentives and yet they were the richest people in the country. I’m talking about the former Soviet Union. They played and they knew to play. Eventually, when we talk about state symbols, when we talk about players who wear outfit with the flag of Israel, there are things that need to push them to win.

I regret also the coach of Israeli team did not come to that meeting. We can always talk, and anyone can be guilty but should also be people who will say: I’m guilty and I take responsibility and I am guilty but does not take responsibility. We expect that people assume responsibility to lead the country and the team, regardless of basketball, handball or football, as they represent the country they have to take responsibility. Should there be a public debate on this issue they should explain the reasons. No one came to criticize that you are guilty or that you did not bring a player to practice or not you get along with other players and that’s why they did not play. I’m talking about any other problems.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know what your direction, but at least when I arrived here the direction was to hear from all parties, even the players, coach and the chairman of the Football Association are those things that we as members of the public can influence and improve, to bring the sport to the best and football in particular.

In my opinion, it’s more like contempt when the person most responsible for the team’s results, it’s the coach, just do not come. Why complain that the public does not care. I think that’s one of the reasons. When not come to the public to get things to the agenda and explain where the problems, the public simply does not care then what is happening in the industry. I regret that because I think it is one of the industries most on the public agenda in the country.

Avi Luzon:

Most popular in the world.

Alex Miller:

True. I think that precisely this stage the coach had to take advantage and come here and say: Friends, there are so many things, try to help and we get going.

I think it’s disrespect, Mr. Chairman. These committees actually quite a bit we were able to improve things. Knesset Members sitting here, like you and Ophir Pines-Paz and me, it was really not their first term. I think that you have extensive experience in the Knesset committee that we are able to change and improve things. When disparage the end result is clear to everyone.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

We are in the 18th Knesset. In the 15th Knesset, I served as chairman of the Committee on Education and Culture. Matan Vilnai was Minister of Science, Culture and Sport and then reported first educational committee on the establishment of a commission Strashnov examined the state of football industry. Committee attended: lawyer Uriel Lynn, a former member of the Knesset, was a retired lion Amit, a former IRS representative Yehuda Kaplan, who played rabbinical Jewish Israel in the past. They submitted their conclusions in 2002. I do not know who referred to these conclusions but to remind them.

Avi Luzon:

Only about a thing. Strashnov Committee was established, and I must tell you honestly that I came here to discuss the Commission Strashnov. She was not in the discussion section of the game, she was the administrative section. I say with certainty that over 90% of the recommendations of the Committee Strashnov Football Association have been implemented by both male, both by Icze and through. If you want, I can send you tomorrow or the day after precise details.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

I do not get it.

MK Ophir Pines request.

Ophir Pines-Paz:

Thank you Mr. Chairman. I must say that I am not a member of the Committee on Education, Culture and Sport.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

You’re very welcome guest.

Ophir Pines-Paz:

Thank you very much. I congratulate the chairman of the committee. I am pleased to speak once Knesset Committee on football. It is right and proper thing. There are educational issues, but there are other sports and I’m happy about that.

I want a moment to separate the failure and the state of the industry. There is no doubt that it was a great opportunity. It said the chairman of the Football Association several times. Unusually, the draw was very convenient for Israel. There is no dispute about it, was a great opportunity missed.

Avi Luzon:

On this we agree.

Chairman Zevulun Orlev:

We’re missing for 40 years.

Ophir Pines-Paz:

True. I say that this time was also very convenient in terms of chance lottery. Groups not first class, groups which are Crimes and moved them a point.

I, incidentally, was not so optimistic as Avi Luzon. The first interviews after the draw father was certain that we have been able to pack in Johannesburg. I was a bit worried, but what does it matter. The bottom line is, we are not there, not crucifixion or anything. This is a big miss.

The main thing, Mr. Speaker, it is worth to discuss this issue beyond, it’s really what you’re saying. 40 years ago we did not. Since we moved to the EU we are not there. There is no doubt that Israeli football is ill and long lasting crisis and it has no strategy.

Taking Russia. Russia another world, this huge country, all right. Russian football was a big crisis. Culture and Sports minister would visit Russia in 2006. Not only have they brought Dutch coach the team, they did the Russian Football Strategy big money, other training methods and recruiting “Tlntim” from infancy on a large scale. They decided that within five years they would be the highest level and they succeeded.

Ori Shilo:

They too had not qualified.

Avi Luzon:

Even Roman Abramovich has paid tens of millions of dollars. But Roman Abramovich does not want to give us – I asked Roman Abramovich to pass me the appropriations he moved to Russia, he would not.

Ophir Pines-Paz:

My father, not the point. The point is that Israel has no strategy Slcdorgl. By the way, if you increase the league to 16 you call strategy, so I will tell you that this strategy will not bring the Israeli football anywhere, I’m sorry to say. When I see Hapoel Tel Aviv and Hapoel Ra’anana 5: 0 Maccabi Haifa and Hapoel Petah Tikva 0: 7 or 7: 1, it will not be saved Israeli football.

Avi Luzon:

Spain is also the world champion and European champion, Real Madrid and Barcelona win 7: 0 and 8: 0. Say what you say now it’s just a somewhat populist not irrelevant.

Ophir Pines-Paz:

I’m not here to fight with you. The real me say what I feel. I respect your opinion. You’re fighting for your opinion, expanding leagues – – –

Avi Cohen:

Meanwhile, the father is the chairman and he decided to have 16 teams. This does not mean that it is not doing well or not doing that bad.

Avi Luzon:

Tottenham beat Wigan 9: 0 on Hapoel Tel Aviv beat Hapoel Petah Tikva 7: 1. Is it good or not good?

Ophir Pines-Paz:

I did not come to fight with you. Do not make it personal debate, I am really not in this place. I think football is missing Israeli strategy. I think that increasing leagues if 16 this strategy, I tell you that it does not lead anywhere. This is my opinion. If you have a different strategy, I’d love to know what it is.

I think Israeli football program should generate more serious, deeper, longer term, to achieve results more impressive. The problem is not just that we need. When you see the infrastructure of Israeli football, when you’re looking for H”tlntim “, the big stars – I do not feel like we’re in a place of progress. I feel like we’re in a place of retreat.

Avi Cohen:

You’re right, but you need to help in this matter. How it will develop?

Ophir Pines-Paz:

Believe me, I’m not fired anybody of anything, certainly not me or my friends. I did not come here to blame anyone. I try to analyze a situation that we all want. No one in this debate does not want Israeli soccer succeed. I’m certainly not an expert in football and never claimed to. I speak my mind. I want my opinion to be taken into account its dimensions and not beyond that, but I speak my mind as a Knesset member of the Knesset debate.

I want to say one more thing. I think the Achilles heel of Israeli football is surprised, not the players, not coaches, but rather the owners and managers, that’s my view. When I look at the Israeli football and how he managed – I am of course talking about a very rough generalization that I salute the people as heartfelt dawn and a few more. It is very striking example but there are others. There are some individual groups in Israeli soccer managed magnificently and managed professionally and managed as it should be managed. Unfortunately, the majority of Israeli football teams I think are suffering middle management capacity.

Avi Luzon:

But the group brought the best managed zero goals, so what’s the connection?

Ophir Pines-Paz:

Let’s say you’re in a senior position at one of Israel’s top banks. A large part of the Group’s management and Israeli football team owners, would not you take work in a bank. Enough word to Worms. I think we should invest in management.

Avi Cohen:

He can not choose your own.

Ophir Pines-Paz:

I think we should change the regulations.

Thank you very much.

No.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

No.

Why?

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Nothing.

What’s going on?

True.

Why?

Why?

What to do?

Why?

Whose?

Obviously.

I’m glad to hear.

No.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

Very nice.

Very nice.

Thank you very much.

I do not know.

No.

Thank you very much.

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